1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,640 We've come to our last and our most distinguished speaker, a man who is certainly qualified 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,800 probably as no other person is to give us an accurate idea of what space visitors, if 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,120 and when, will look like. 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,120 What you've seen, after all, is the testimony of people. 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:27,840 We have no evidence that these creatures actually existed in anything else than the imaginations 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,400 of the people who reported them. 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:36,360 We have the tales of the people who have messages from big brotherly visitors. 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:45,600 We have no evidence, and for lack of evidence, we can simply try to apply our minds to what, 9 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,200 if and when I repeat, space visitors come, they will look like. 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,960 And we are very fortunate tonight to have the man, as I say, who can tell us, theoretically, 11 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,320 what space visitors will look like and probably anybody else. 12 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,720 You know I'm speaking of Mr. Willie Lay. 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:10,640 Mr. Lay has been interested in space travel for a good many years, despite his youthful 14 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:11,640 appearance. 15 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:17,440 In fact, his first book was entitled, Tripped Into Space, and that book was written, published 16 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,400 29 years ago. 17 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,640 That is the extent of Mr. Lay's history of interest in space travel. 18 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,600 He has written many other books since then, not only on space travel, but also on one 19 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,080 of his specialties, which is biology, zoology. 20 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,240 Some of those books, for instance, you probably know about, they have delightful titles, the 21 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,520 Lungfish, the Do-Do, and the Unicorn. 22 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Salamander's and other Wonders. 23 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Incidentally, both of those books have the subtitle, An Excursion into Romantic Zoology. 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:53,000 I would be inclined to make a private guest to myself that this is a term which might 25 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:59,280 describe Mr. Lay's conception of reports of space visits as of the present time, Romantic 26 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Zoology. 27 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,280 I don't know. 28 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:07,840 Without any further word, then I'll turn the platform over to Mr. Lay and he will tell 29 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,560 you what will certainly be the most solid and worthwhile information of the evening. 30 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:20,760 Ladies and gentlemen, what I'm carrying here are not notes for a speech, but the invitation 31 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,840 which you have all seen giving me the timing. 32 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,640 That's not on your invitation. 33 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:32,640 And it says for me, 9.50 to 10.15, 25 minutes. 34 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,640 According to this, we are running five minutes late. 35 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:44,640 However, the CAA regulations state that the pilot does not have to report deviations from 36 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:48,880 the flight plan if they are less than 10 minutes. 37 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:56,000 So I think my justice will go ahead whether I will speak for 25 minutes or not is something 38 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,560 I simply do not know. 39 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:05,560 Now let me first state, so to speak, a statement of qualifications. 40 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,720 Secondly, a statement of attitude. 41 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,480 And then I go into the theme, power. 42 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:19,880 Statement of qualifications is that I have read most of the books written on flying saucers. 43 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:26,880 If, in some cases, being annoyed by obvious nonsense, I may have skipped a few pages. 44 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:35,240 Statement of attitude is that I do not say people are liars because they have seen something 45 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,720 in the sky that cannot be explained. 46 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:50,440 But I believe this term is used here in the non-religious sense, that I think that UFOs 47 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:59,440 provided they exist at all exist only inside the atmosphere and are natural phenomena. 48 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:07,440 My reason for expressing this inside the atmosphere is something which is not as well known as 49 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:16,520 it could be, and that is that for quite some time intensive searches were made of space 50 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,080 in the vicinity of Earth. 51 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:27,080 One of the reasons for these intense searches were the forthcoming artificial satellites. 52 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:34,480 It was known to the people involved that artificial satellites would happen sooner or later. 53 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:44,480 It was believed at the time that artificial satellites would broadcast in the literal sense 54 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,480 their presence by means of transmitters. 55 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:54,480 But it was also thought correctly so that these transmitters would be battery-powered 56 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,480 and the batteries would go out. 57 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:02,480 And then all you had left was visual tracking with optical instruments, and tracking with 58 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,480 sharp ways by radar. 59 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:14,480 And in order to do that effectively you had to make very sure that there were no natural 60 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:20,480 bodies in space which you might misunderstand for artificial satellites. 61 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:31,480 And for this reason a very thorough search was instituted for the space between the Earth 62 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:39,480 and our natural moon, and in this search absolutely nothing turned up. 63 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:50,480 No natural satellites, no clandestine artificial satellites, and no spaceships coming from 64 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,480 elsewhere or going to elsewhere. 65 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:58,480 Of course it is always possible to make the hypothesis that wasn't advanced technology, 66 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,480 that these things are both invisible and indetectable by radar. 67 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,480 Personally or like one hypothesis at a time. 68 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:15,480 So having stated my personal convictions, I'll go to the theme for which I was really asked to speak. 69 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,480 I must say I brought this all by myself. 70 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,480 I was invited for lunch by the editors of this week. 71 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:30,480 And I should just have let them buy me a few cocktails and lunch, and I should have kept my mouth shut. 72 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,480 No, what did I do? I answered questions. 73 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:43,480 And the result of answering what I suspected to be well-meaning questions, I wrote an article. 74 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,480 But this article had a floor-wagga, which I did not write myself. 75 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:58,480 The left-of-the-way spoke here first essentially as a science fiction order. 76 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:07,480 And the past origin of this article I wrote was for science-fictional purposes. 77 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:16,480 I have been in the habit all my life to look at the history of everything that comes my way. 78 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,480 As a matter of fact, as I said recently somewhere else at Basal, if you have to know, 79 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:33,480 I'm a member of the history of science society, and of course, our pride and glory there always is to know earlier sources than the men who speak it. 80 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:43,480 And so all my life I've been in the habit of looking for earlier sources. 81 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:54,480 So I, when I began reading American science fiction, I tried to find Ulla science fiction. 82 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,480 And I left with you a very quick rundown because this is pertinent to the story. 83 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:05,480 Science fiction does go back to 160 AD. That's the first science fiction story known. 84 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,480 The next one came 1600 years later. 85 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:21,480 In both cases, nobody visits us, but people from Earth, by technically absolutely inadequate means, go to the moon. 86 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Because I can't even believe the others for having used technically inadequate means. 87 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,480 Characters hadn't been invented at the moment. 88 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:44,480 The first story which I have been able to find in which people from Earth's work come to Earth is a German novel that was written in 1893. 89 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:55,480 So some 20 years ago, I was sitting with Sprague de Camp, another well-known science fiction author in his apartment here in New York. 90 00:08:55,480 --> 00:09:02,480 He was mentioning this novel to him. He didn't know it because it had never been translated into English. 91 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,480 And he said, well, how do these visitors look? 92 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Well, I said in this particular case, they are so human that they even can crossbreed. 93 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:23,480 And then we started thinking of then-reasoned science fiction stories and how the extraterrestrials had looked. 94 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,480 And the extraterrestrials had been all kinds of impossible mixtures. 95 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:34,480 You know, 70 peats with 20 pair wings, aerodynamically completely impossible. 96 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:41,480 Something like lobster's wolf, a few appenditures, not precisely propellers. 97 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,480 No, the altars didn't go that far. 98 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,480 But also something that neurologically made no sense. 99 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:54,480 And so the two of us, Sprague and de Camp and I, then sat down and said, 100 00:09:54,480 --> 00:10:02,480 now what would an extraterrestrial actually look like from the scientific point of view? 101 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:09,480 Let's assume that there are some. What would they look like? 102 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:18,480 We quickly discovered that we could not pin down extraterrestrial life as a whole. 103 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:32,480 You do have these enormous differences on earth between the centipede and the jellyfish, the bird and a movie star. 104 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:41,480 But what we could pin down, or thought we could pin down, was the question of how would intelligent life look. 105 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,480 Now, a few things were quite obvious in the first place. 106 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:53,480 Intelligent life shows its intelligence by building things, by making things, and it grows more intelligent in the process. 107 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,480 And finally it comes across methods. 108 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:05,480 Therefore, if it has to use methods in the end, it cannot be an underwater civilization. 109 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:15,480 You might theoretically have an underwater civilization of the cultural and technological equivalent of the Neanderthal men. 110 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:21,480 But you cannot even go to the Kromonion because he already needed methods. 111 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,480 Methods must be smelted and that cannot be done underwater. 112 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,480 I don't want to bore you with every detail which we reasoned out. 113 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,480 It took us two days of debate. 114 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:46,480 I'd just like to say something or to repeat something that Lester Del Rey said about the books of the contactees, what they called. 115 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:57,480 Namely that eight years after this article was written and published, was written by Spray-Dekan, but we discussed it together. 116 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:07,480 Eight years after it was written and published, I found out that a Dutch scientist had done the same thing 200 years before us. 117 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:13,480 His name is well known in the history of science. 118 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,480 I'm going to pronounce it the way he did. 119 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,480 I wish to point out that I do not have a respiratory infection. 120 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Some Dutch names just sound that way. 121 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,480 His name is Christian Huygens. 122 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:42,480 Christian Huygens in about 1700 pointed out that the inhabitants of other planets must have eyes to see with. 123 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,480 We can pin this down a little more. 124 00:12:45,480 --> 00:13:01,480 Last night I was driven home by an Air Force Colonel who expressed his surprise that our eyes utilized only such a small part of all the possible ways. 125 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,480 Well, the reason why our eyes do is a very simple one. 126 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:12,480 Our eyes utilize that part of the spectrum to which our atmosphere is transparent. 127 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,480 Our eyes cannot see X-rays. 128 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,480 I'm simplifying this, of course, in the course of long evolution that has come about that. 129 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:30,480 But our eyes do not see X-rays because X-rays, which started 200 miles away, wouldn't get to them. 130 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:37,480 So our eyes work on those rays to which our atmosphere happens to be transparent. 131 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,480 That's what we can add to heavens. 132 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:55,480 Heavens have said furthermore that the intelligent beings must have organs like hands or other of the function of hands to manipulate things. 133 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:02,480 We can add to that that that leaves out tentacle-like organ like the elephant's tongue, 134 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:09,480 which is very strong in pulling but is not for lack of internal brazing strong in pushing. 135 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:15,480 Obviously an intelligent being must be able to move around. 136 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,480 Therefore it has to have legs of some kind. 137 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:28,480 One of the things that old Housens 200 years ago did not mention but which surprised both Strictly Camp and me, 138 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:39,480 when we thought about it and discussed it, is to think that of all creatures with an internal skeleton on Earth, 139 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:44,480 you never had more than four legs. 140 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,480 It just doesn't exist. 141 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:57,480 What we do not know, what we cannot tell, is whether this is a sheer accident of terrestrial evolution 142 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:04,480 or whether there is a natural law that we simply do not happen to know. 143 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:15,480 At any event, if I want to pull this together, we came to the result that an intelligent being of another planet 144 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:25,480 cannot be much smaller than a human being because then there would be not enough body cells to support the brain cells 145 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:31,480 and there must be so and so many brain cells because we have postulated that it is intelligent. 146 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:40,480 Now can it be much larger than something Earth comes in which is known as the square tube law and which makes it very clumsy? 147 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:47,480 In short, we ended up with a creature, which as I phrased it later, 148 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:58,480 somebody who needs glasses but doesn't wear any, in dusk seen from a distance would not at once be able to tell from a human. 149 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:04,480 This of course does not mean minor accidents of evolution. 150 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:11,480 A minor accident of evolution is whether my ears are large and floppy or whether there aren't any external ears. 151 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:17,480 A minor accident of evolution is whether I have hair all over or none at all. 152 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,480 Even smaller accidents of course is a different skin colouring. 153 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:27,480 A very small accident would be the procession or absence of the tail. 154 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:33,480 So as soon as somebody tells me, we have contact with people looking just like us, 155 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:39,480 I already have all the biological reasons in the world for not believing it. 156 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:44,480 How large the differences might be is something we can't tell, 157 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:54,480 but the living body has to fulfill certain functions and there must be a general resemblance. 158 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,480 In conclusion, I'd like to say one more thing. 159 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:07,480 In all this reasoning, one main assumption has been made without being mentioned. 160 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:20,480 Namely that the chemical constitution of the non-terrestrial life is similar or more precisely the same, 161 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,480 very much the same as ours. 162 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,480 Are we justified in making such an assumption? 163 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:33,480 In some cases, ignorance is a justification. 164 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,480 We are talking here somewhat from ignorance. 165 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:43,480 Our bodies are built on the carbon atom. 166 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,480 The carbon atom has three characteristics which are quite unique. 167 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:57,480 One is it combines readily with almost anything other than the entrepreneur and so on being obvious exceptions. 168 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:04,480 However, it does not favor anything unduly, any other atom for combination. 169 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:12,480 And the third characteristic is that carbon likes to look into itself and form enormous chains, 170 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:19,480 thereby producing molecules of the science and complexity necessary for what we call life. 171 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:32,480 It has been said, oh, in about 1900, that there might be a life form in which the silicon atom replaces the carbon atom. 172 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,480 This, of course, would lead to very interesting creatures, 173 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:42,480 but in the first place, silicon is not as versatile. 174 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:51,480 In the second place, silicon favors oxygen in a very pronounced manner. 175 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:59,480 In other words, if you have any silicon hydrogene compound, a single molecule of excellent oxidin coming, 176 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,480 wafting along, will break this up. 177 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:12,480 So you do not get the complexity of the compounds to fulfill the life processes. 178 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:20,480 In other words, we are pretty sure now that although silicon is quite similar to carbon, 179 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,480 it is not similar enough to be a substitute. 180 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:33,480 And if silicon life exists anywhere in the universe, it would be on a planet where there is no free oxygen around, 181 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:44,480 and it probably would be about as intelligent and as mobile as average, not too pipe-first. 182 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:51,480 I make, being brought mind that although I was cautioned in the beginning not to be, 183 00:19:51,480 --> 00:20:00,480 being brought mind that I make one possible exception, so far I have spoken about life at temperatures which we would find 184 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:06,480 either comfortable or at least bare level, not killing. 185 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:18,480 It has been suggested that at very low temperatures, those temperatures which on Earth happen when somebody makes liquid oxygen, 186 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,480 that there is another life chemistry possible. 187 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:29,480 Well, we do not know enough chemistry to say that it is possible. 188 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:39,480 Since we do not know enough chemistry, we also cannot say it is impossible, so I have to leave this open. 189 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:47,480 Now to sum up, I believe, A, that life exists elsewhere in the universe. 190 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:58,480 On the other hand, I do not believe that the so-called UFOs can even exist outside of our atmosphere. 191 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:08,480 I think they are natural phenomena, but if we ever get to visit one's place, 192 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:19,480 I believe that the life forms, the intelligent life forms that build this ship will be built along the lines of our chemistry 193 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:28,480 and will obey the mechanical laws which have come into play in building the bodies of Earth creatures. 194 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,480 Thank you.